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jesus fucking christ. if this study truly is accurate, if we shut down just 5% of the worst offending power plants across the globe that would reduce the carbon output of electrical generation by 75%

arstechnica.com/science/2021/0

@radicalrobit this is why I get upset when people suggest turning off the lights when you leave the room

@Thomas That... I think I've only ever heard that in the context of not driving up the electric bill. Is it really a suggestion for driving down emissions?
I mean, I guess if everyone did it, the result would be that less power would need to be produced, so it's not completely irrational, but that does seem kind of silly when we know that Canada, for example, will charge citizens for not using ENOUGH power.

@QuLyo yeah, I was just using it as an example of how politicians and the fossil fuel industry have successfully moved the onus of reducing emissions to the individual rather than themselves. “Don’t idle your car” is probably a better example.

@Thomas @QuLyo Idling cars also helps kill locals and passers-by, so even ignoring the entirely needless emissions it's a dick move..

@seachaint @QuLyo the point is not that it’s good, it’s that making a significant reduction to carbon emission is the responsibility of energy producers and the fossil fuel industry and putting the onus on the consumer is the same as that “ah, you hate capitalism but you own an iPhone” meme. I have to own a car because of the distance between my home and work and lack of public transport, there is no other choice. I remote start my car in my driveway because it’s frequently over 100° here.

@seachaint @QuLyo The idea that somehow my car running is the problem when the OP shows the large impact that these power companies can make is evidence of a propaganda campaign. And I don’t think people tend to idle their cars in a crowd of people but maybe that’s just my experience.

@seachaint @QuLyo they aren’t going to shut down that 5% or worst offending power plants or improve them through regulation because the power of capital is too strong a motivator. As long as it’s more profitable to operate those plants the amount of carbon they’re spewing into the atmosphere is a negligible concern to the operators.

@seachaint @QuLyo so quite frankly, I don’t give a fuck about my neighbors absolutely minuscule contribution to climate change by using a gas mower

@Thomas @radicalrobit This is actually how I brought up, not to waste resources needlessly. If everybody whould be switching off the stuff they're not using, it would make a difference too.

@Thomas @radicalrobit Another rule growing up was "Close the door, we're not heating the corridor!"

@gunchleoc @radicalrobit explain to me how many people would need to turn off their lights and close the door to equal the power plants emissions in the OP

@Thomas @radicalrobit It's not about pointing fingers at who is worst, but a general mindset. Of course, if the big polluters aren't stopped, none of it matters. And if there's no usable public transport, you have no choice but to drive a car. That's no reason to give up though.

@gunchleoc @radicalrobit this attitude of “do your best and hope the big polluters stop” has lead to the hottest years on record and unchecked emissions. I’m not saying turning your A/C down isn’t valuable but only in as much as it reduces the overall output of a power plant which, unless everyone is on board (and they are not) is negligible. I’m pointing fingers because large producers are not doing their part and until they do, reducing power usage does not amount to a significant change.

@gunchleoc @radicalrobit we have what? 10 years to halve our emissions or raise the temp another 1°? Do you think enough people will start unplugging their phone chargers in that time to matter? Do you think domestic power usage has been a major contributor to CO2 emissions compared to specifically the plants in the OP? This is why that kind of rhetoric bothers me. The onus should not be on the consumer. I have to use power, I have to drive a car.

@gunchleoc @radicalrobit The producers could be regulated, we could make real effort to move to renewables but we are not and the results will not change until we do. Implying that the individual is at fault benefits only the fossil fuel industry

@Thomas @radicalrobit The solution is to make our public infrastructure public again - that's the best regulation we can get.

@Thomas @radicalrobit i just do that so my dad doesn’t get mad at me in my mind

@radicalrobit and then we can finally have environmentally friendly cryptocurrency 🤩

@radicalrobit I write about power, including plants, and yes, this is true. A lot of coal capacity has shut down in the past few decades. We are left with not too much. To a degree, we are "decentralizing" pollution into more numerous, less polluting gas plants. But yeah, we are within striking distance of phasing out coal.

@InternetEh @radicalrobit the article is frustratingly vague about whether 5% of plants means counting physical installations or production.

@radicalrobit @InternetEh yeah, I think that makes it completely useless. The coal plants could (in theory) produce 90% of the emissions and 75% of the total energy while being only 5% of the raw number of plants.

@robotcarsley @radicalrobit @InternetEh Eh, I think in the report there are more things by looking at the comments

#uncaptioned (also, sorry for the messed up screenshot, that's how my phone does it.)

@radicalrobit A couple of considerations in response to that article’s recommendations for mitigation:

Natural gas has huge problems with fugitive emissions - which rapidly increase carbon footprint due to the global warming potential of methane - and I don’t know if their data is accounting for that. (One problem with that is that the fugitive emissions are so hard to accurately measure.)

CCS hasn’t been practical to date.

@radicalrobit (essentially what I’m saying here is that retrofitting these inefficient plants with some of the technologies mentioned isn’t going to be as helpful as claimed, and I agree with you about shutting them down instead. replace them with renewables, storage, demand response, and efficiency improvements elsewhere.)

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